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straight from the source tonight. >> please be seated. the 12 new yorkers decide the fate of a former president of the united states. now criminal defendant, a roller coaster day in court ends with a jury of his peers now picked in the case of the people of the state of new york vs donald j. trump. what we've learned tonight with opening statements as soon as monday also, why prosecutors or refusing to tell the defense who their first witness these are the judge appearing to agree that the former president's simply can't be trusted for certain to contain himself. and the kennedys versus a kennedy six of rf okay. juniors, old siblings, very publicly snubbed their brother and endorsed joe biden for reelection. my source tonight is rfk junior sister, kerry kennedy. is it a family feud? >> or just plain politics? i'm john king and for kaitlan collins, this is the source a

rough start but then rapid progress on day three, rough because two jurors previously seated in donald trump's historic hush money trial were stunningly dismissed. a new york criminal court quickly though, made up for lost time, not only filling those two law seats but also picking five more jurors to round out the full panel of 12, seven menn, and five women. one also nurture, also selected before the court wrapped for the day the search goes on for more jurors tomorrow. we don't know all the specifics about why those two jurors were excused. one, though, did raise concerns that part of her identity was being shared publicly prosecutors race concerned about the other juror, the judge did not make public the ultimate reason for letting him go. what we do know is that trump made it through the whole process today without getting scolded by the judge like he did on tuesday for monitoring allowed and potentially intimidating some of those jurors he was said to be in gross with the process today, creating his neck at times to get a good view of those seated

in the jury box as they gave their answers when he left the courtroom, an attempt to sway a different jury voters all day on a trial that really is a very unfair child stories from legal experts is wall street journal editorial. but all of these are stewards legal action sitting have this is not a case spread across the rubicon indicting trump on that says the lopping out foreign age and trump's indictment the whole world is watching. >> this helps he brought props today, an arm full of papers, articles, he claims back up his arguments that the cases week or worse that actually went on and on and on for a couple of minutes. >> he complained. yes, he complained about the temperature in the courtroom and also about the trial taking him off the campaign trail but according to him, all his legal

troubles are actually helping his campaign time, of course will tell us about that first. donald j. trump has to get through the trial, allowed to take apart on day three. we also just heard for the first time from one of those two jurors dismissed today after being sworn in, will tell you, i prosecutors won't be sharing. their list or first witnesses with the trump team with the blessing so far, at least of the judge. but first, let's get right to some of our best legal sources are cnn anchor, chief legal analyst laura coates, cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney, joey jackson attorney were not it'll still beale and veteran new york trial attorney arthur aye. dala laura, let's begin with you. first big picture, then we'll get into some of the specific what stands out to you about the jury. we now have 2127 men, five women, plus the one alternate more to come. but what stands out to you about this juror? the breadth of what their experiences are. some don't have social media, others have been bell verse and reading the art of the deal and also find him in some way intriguing, but others are from different states hey, it's not native new yorkers. others are from different countries.

you've got really the gamut of the cultural melting pot that is new york, which really makes you wonder who is going to be either the wildcard or the blank slate. you can actually persuade that's going to be where the jurors are going to have the most impact for, these particular attorneys why well, because this is what's interesting to me is that this is a very sophisticated juror. you have two lawyers, you have people in finance, obviously both sides wanted people that had some education, some sophistication because they're complicated financial issues here. there are complicated legal issues here. so it's going to we're very interested to see how this plays out. >> let's walk through some of it. new juror two and investment banker. he says he did read the art of the deal. new juror for a security engineer who's married, three kids, der eight retired wealth manager who's married with two kids, der nine, a speech therapist with a master's degree. she's not married, lives alone. juror ten works in e-commerce as he doesn't really follow the news juror left evan, who will talk more about in a minute, worse for an apparel company, she's unmarried, doesn't have kids. the final jurors seated, physical therapist, she has a

doctorate degree, says she reads the new york times usa today, and cnn. >> if you're the defense team from, what i just went through and what their hearing is there asked these questions in court which reminded tonight. >> so big picture what i do not like are the attorneys on the jury, period generally speaking, we excuse attorneys right away yeah. it is not going lawyers right away. it used to be the law and fact that lorries clinton serve. and the reason i don't like that is because part of i think the argument here is what we call as laura is jury nullification. what does that mean in english? this is a system that's run a muck. we shouldn't be here. what are we doing? this is the weaponization of the prosecution. i don't think that that's falls really well on attorney he's i think us lawyers. right? i think we are trained to evaluate facts to look at issues, and i just don't like right. we have varying opinions about that, but i'm concerned about that. >> come in, arthur, but i want

to ask you firstly to get more specific about. i said we'd come back to one of the jurors. this is the questioning of juror 11, both teams were done with their strikes. you the chance that fans can stand up and say, gotta go, you get ten opportunity sade. don't have to explain your reason. that person has to go get ten of those. they were done with those. here's what the questioning of juror 11. juror i don't like his persona. she's talking about donald trump. i don't like some i don't like some of my coworkers, but i don't try to sabotage their work. he just seems very selfish and self-serving trump lawyer s sounds like you're saying you don't like him. the juror said, yes that person is down on the jury. the judge said he was convinced, despite what her opinion is, she could be fair and impartial. you're shaking your head. >> that that's where a judge plays such a pivotal role because you're correct about the peremptory challenges, but there's also four cause challenges that's not a reason to say, judge, you can't put this person on the jury. she's basically telling you shows like this guy. if if that happened in any other case, in any other case, any of judge would say yeah. okay. she knows mr. jackson because he was the

coach of the kids baseball team and you didn't put an axon and so she doesn't like he would be off the jury. that's that annoys me. that bothers me. and that's not cool and i can see the jury consultant person, but it's not any other case. >> you're not going to find 12 people who don't know about. >> you like to say that? i really don't have but opinion. there's people who don't know social media is people don't follow the news. you got a woman hears is i don't like the guy more people left. well, i might not my cup of tea but you heard the judge and cases, you know, that judges will try to rehabilitate in a sense, the jury because they know they've got a finite number of people who are going to perform hundreds of people for your correct. but the same token, if the judge has all right. knowing that can you put that aside? now, i agree. if i were defense council, that would not make me comfortable, but the judge essentially knowing what we've had very little secret in jury selection. a lot of it is self-disclosure and the honor system, right? yeah. you know what you're i could put

all of that aside now it's up to your gut check and intuition to do so, back to your point though. one reason you don't want to have lawyers on the panel as well as because the prosecution and defense, they want to be the ones that you're relying on. most jurors are gonna look to the lawyers on the panel and turn and go wait a second. is that right? you think about that, right? so so what's the conversation with the defense team? >> if you're advising them and they have a juror that they're nervous about. well, that char is going to be there when we start on monday or tuesday, that term is going to be there when you have opening arguments, we start bringing up your witnesses what are you looking for and how do you think okay. we know we know the person at least started with an unfavorable opinion of our client. how do we fix it? well, they're going to be focused on juror number 11, or you're gonna be watching that person's social it will media is that person going to maybe violate the judge's orders, which jurors do, even in not so high profile cases. >> is there something that they didn't disclose that you can come back to the court and say, you know what, judge, she should have been honest or that about this this person wasn't they have to go, but john, one quick point. we should point it out is that she also gave the indication that there are oh, workers that i don't like

either, but i don't take things out on them. so we talk about rehabilitation. she indicated that she still could be fair notwithstanding her not liking. look, challenge for cause, potentially could have been granted, but i think the rehabilitation keeps her on the jury. i think the judge made a judgment call, but which is well within his discretion, by the way, the likeability if that's with this case is coming down to you. you don't have likable witnesses as well. this is not a case where you've got mother teresa and mother teresa's clone and then her other clone you have the prosecution already fronting in this case. hey, they're gonna be people here that might have a past or a personality that you do not like. can you see beyond that if we prove our burden? and that could be the case. >> well, we began the day. look like we're going in the wrong direction, they made progress later, but at the beginning to jurors who had previously been cedar were dismissed. one was a woman who came in, essentially told the judge people push to her social media, family and friends that her identity had been exposed or at least nearly exposed by media coverage and the like what do you make us one something like that, haven't and the judge said, we've lost a good juror here.

yeah, it's it's it's been made a problem and the press was pointed out as being a source of that issue. >> i now of course, cnn has gone to great lengths to ensure that we are able to both preserve the opportunity for the public to understand the case and know about it and balanced against the anonymity reasons. but there's also a thing called prior restraint i know the judge wants to be able to say you've got to be very cautious about what you disclosed because i have a jury and a trial. we also one thing that you can't necessarily tell the press. you cannot publish something in advance. it's public knowledge information, but it's always been viewed as balancing test between what you can say in the public square and also preserving the right to a fair trial and that includes a jury who doesn't feel intimidated. the second juror who was sent home a santos by the judge after prosecutors raised concerns that he was not honest, did not disclose during the questioning process that 30, 70 thank was 33, 30 plus years ago, it had a conviction for tearing down political science. and he gave an interview that juror gave an interview with usa tonight's i saying he was surprised he was dismissed. he called mug shot a cowardly judge for lying. the problem prosecution to bring up in a restroom decade ago, he said, quote, i thought it was just an excuse for prosecutors

to get them off the jury. i call merchant coward surprise to you. would you have done that? would you have stet stood up and said, wait, number one, even tell the truth. number two taking it out political science, most of them are republican apparently 30 years ago. what's that's the issue. >> the issue is the dishonest do not being candid. i mean, that's not something you forget to disclose. so believe me, this is not over both sides and particularly the defense are going to continue to look into these jurors backgrounds to see if there's anything else that they forgot to disclose and don't overlook the alternate we're going into the ultimate it's tomorrow. i predict not all of these jurors are going to make it through several week trial. the alternate are going to be absolutely critical here. >> so tastes hasn't started yet, but from the, from day one and 11, pretrial stuff, you're making notes. if you're the defense team in case donald trump is convicted, what might we appeal first, i want to hear no, i already got them rattled off first thing has to do with the sandoval issues, so they wanted they were too late and bringing up, these are the things we want to talk to

donald trump about if he you gotta do that before the lawyers dot questioning the jurors. >> so they have the opportunity to question the jury's about that number one. number two, that should have been filed under seal, so it doesn't taint the whole jury pool in avi weinstein case. we did it for months it's at a time under seal with a sealed courtroom when we had the hearing. so those are the first two things. the third thing i'm doing is you're honors or the appellate division. you had a juror who what they asked for cause. she said she doesn't like this guy. she doesn't like this guy and they still sat them when there was 500 people outside. i want to i want to reversal well, on that as well. and i'm giving up on juror 11. i'm just saying okay. mr. trump, when we're not kidding liquid earlier, we're getting a hung jury at best. and so let's focus on the three or four people who are going to say no, no, no, we're not convicted this guy and go to joe's point and go with the jury nullification, tell the jury is dead, justice, and you decide that this case is bs michael cohen is bs so my daniel's is be as and come back and say not guilty. >> so we're in what i'll call a final stretch before the opening act, if you will, you have to finish up the jury got

12 jurors seated, one alternate selected. we still need five alternates. opening arguments could come could come as early as monday. so if you're the jurors, i mean, if you're the attorneys, your double busy tonight because you still have to focus on this important part. one of one or two of those but it's could end up in the room at the end of the day, but you're also thinking, whoa, we gotta be ready for monday. what next? >> we're getting ready includes knowing by audience and the audience and how you're going to craft your opening statements and opening arguments and how you might want to tailor the presentation of evidence according to who's there. there's a reason you want to have as much information as possible about who is in front of you because there might be when it's little easter eggs have sort where you're going to try to appeal to particular juror without coming out, right. and looking at me in saying you, i'm talking to you and you and i say this point that's gonna be part of it, but also this is not a cake walk, sort of case. they have got to meet their burden to the prosecution, can't go in there and think to themselves, hey, a lot of people notice they might know the players here. my work is really we've done now the work begins in many ways because people are familiar with at least the players in this back could work against you because

as much as they formed an opinion about trump they likely have one about stormy daniels, the likely have one about michael cohen. in fact, one says he follows him on twitter and he's on the case. oh, sorry. x. x. >> so this is first a legal question, but it's also a political question. it's a question about how judge are sean is proceeding quick briefly. all right. we've got through various selection. they tell what the hiccups today says. we want to start as early as monday. it says he won't give them tuesday off the trump team wanted that passover is monday night into 2s into tuesday. he said no we're going to proceed. so from is that his style from a legal standpoint, number one and number two, does this factor into it all that trump doesn't want to be here, but now he is. and now that he is in a new york courtroom, there approaches. let this go on as long as we possibly can, because once it's done, there are other trials and so he's trying, to trying to delay everything. this one he couldn't delay. now that it's started, you'll want to stretch it. yeah. i mean, look, here's the reality. the reality is is in my view, the judge is doing what he should do. i think this judge and indicating from the outset, john, that if you self

identify as not being fair, i'm just going to remove you and i think that's sort of the retort to authorise very good point about whether someone should have been removed for cause. i think it's going in the manner that it should. i think we have a jury. it's not surprising that it took this. you only have ten peremptory strikes with respect to discretionary removing people. and i think that you can potentially have a jury that's fair. that's honorable. and that can make a decision based on the law and the fact that there'll be instructed to make greg conversation tonight many more days to come. lower-cost. joey jackson were nato and arthur. thank you all for being here. we'll, again, we'll continue this conversation, including next. up ahead for us, prosecutors now refusing to give the defense their initial witness list and they say there's a big reason for that trump and the judge says he can't fault them, plus, imagine running for president and seeing your brothers and sisters stumping for another candidate a show of force from the kennedys today for not rfk junior. kerry kennedy is here with more on that very public family snub this source with

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that representation joining me now, judge. shira scheindlin, who served as a federal judge for 22 years of a us district court for the southern district of new york. judge, grateful for your time common courtesy says you do that in most cases how unusual is it for the prosecution to say sorry, no i think it's very unusual. >> it is courteous to let you know who the witnesses are going to be the lawyers have a right to prepare for cross-examination. they have a right to know who's coming up on monday. they want to work all weekend and be ready for that. so it's highly unusual for the prosecution to say no. >> so would you have encouraged a can the judge say do it anyway or is it up to the prosecution? but the judge can simply try to persuade them otherwise. what would you have done okay. >> the judge would have had the power if he wanted to say no. i think you need to give them the witness list for monday and i'm telling you to do it i probably would have given that witness list because so many statements have already been made and outs so many of these

witnesses that is hard to believe that anything new is going to come out over the weekend, obviously, trump is on notice that he has or will violate the gag order, depending what he says about witnesses. and i think i think that's getting through to him this point. and his lawyers said, look, i'll represent that he won't say anything about these people. and i thought the judge should give the lawyer chances say okay, i'll trust you this time. but if anything comes out, that's the last time i trust you. you're on notice two, and i think that would have been the better way to handle it. >> okay. let's move on to a separate issue, but it also involves the same parties and the question of how much elasticity is the word i'll use. the judge has left prosecutors say trump has violated his gag order seven more times just since monday, including one post in which he writes liberal activists are lying to get on the jury. he's quoting a fox news host. there. it's not repost, it's trump's one and it's typing something you heard on television. is that not crossing the line, violating the gag order you see i'm not sure. >> i think so because the point

of the gag order is two prevent any threats or intimidation of jurors of the prosecutor of the court staff this doesn't talk about any particular when witness or juror or court staff, or family member. it's his overhaul statement of what he thinks people do they want to get on the jury to get trump. that's his view so i think you have to be careful with a gag order. you don't want a broader net beyond the person by amateurs that are set in the gag order itself. i think you have to interpret it narrowly because it does stop speech. so i think gag orders are fine, but they should be interpreted as narrowly as possible. and the purpose of this gag order has repeatedly been said. you can't threatened or intimidate or put in harm's way a juror a juror's family at court staff, prosecutors, et cetera. or judges family is there anything you can do though prosecutors said previously said, you should be fine.

>> thousand dollars each time he violates the order that hasn't stopped. trump. you say some of this might be up against the line, but not not a violation, but close to it. as a judge what would you try to say to contain him if that's possible? >> others have tried. i'm not sure. >> i'm not sure it's possible to contain donald trump, but what i would say is i'm going to have monastery this time. i'm not going to find you this time, but i'm telling you you are walking right up to that line. and the second you cross it given that i just it's warn you, i am going to find you and it's gonna be heavy fines and after a number finds, you know, what comes next, i have the power. if i want to exercise it, to put you in prison for contempt, i can do that. >> and i'm not playing around with you. >> so that's how i think i would handle it. i'd give him a stern admonition. tell him what's coming if he crosses that line that sure. shannon, great for your time. thank you thank you. up next for us and brand new reporting on some frustrations for the trump team today, after one juror particular was dismissed how it

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>> trump. see that. and correspondent kristen holmes, temperature okay. here that's much. warmer here. let's look. >> he was clearly frustrated outside the court complaining about the temperature complaining about the case holding up those documents. that's the theater. he does which is part of his politics. how are they dealing? your sources inside trump or about where we are? well, i think right now the number one sentiment is, this is really happening. all of these attempts to delay the have been overturned. all of this effort to disqualify jurors to say that it was impossible to get a fair jury. there's now been a jury said this is moving forward. one thing i think that you should expect from trump world and not necessarily the former president itself, because the gag order, but you should expect to hear trump allies continuing to rip apart this jury to say that they are left-leaning, that it is going to be impossible. remember, they have all the same access to what we have inside the courtroom. any kind of documents? sure. it's not their identity, but they have what kind of news they consume any kind of thing that they said about their views about donald trump. anyone who has gotten a pool report can see that and

remember, the only discretion that we got from the judge was used common sense at certain points. so people's versions of common sense are very different when it comes to what you do in terms of the media. so you should expect these right-wing or me social media followers to be pushing this forward to that point. excellent art of the segway. we talked about juror number 11 with the attorneys earlier. she had bedded. that's like trump's persona. teddy seems very selfish, very self-serving knowing trump as well as you do, how hardest him for him to sit there and listen to that from a job? for and he's from florida and aly moved to florida, but from a fellow new yorker. >> well, just remember that donald trump has not been a room with someone who's going to say no to him more insult him for decades now, he purposely surrounds himself by people with people who are even the people who now say that when he was in the administration, that they tried to stop them from doing things many of those are profiles encouraged because during the time they weren't actually trying to stop him. it was later. he surrounds himself with people who say yes to him,

who compliment him constantly as we know, i've heard some of his aides& advisor's talk about how good he looks out where to suit is what a good job he's doing in-between various speeches are talking to reporters that this is what he likes the most so hearing a group of people talk bad about& remember, wasn't just her. i mean, it was over and over again. different people say they don't like his policies, they didn't want him to be an office. again, this is something that's going to great at him. and we're just getting started. these are strangers now. he's going to also have to sit through the testimony of various witnesses. who really hate him, like michael cohen, like stormy daniels. so this is just getting started. you know, the history. he doesn't always listen to advice. but what advice are you hearing his attorney in his political weibo telling him about how he looks at the jury, making sure it doesn't scowl or seem intimidating, or does he want to do that? and what he doesn't social media well, in terms of social media, they have advised him on the gag order. now, i think it's interesting when we just heard what the judge said, what you had as a guest talking about walking up to that line, saying you're almost going across it, you have to stop we have been told by advisers that his

lawyers have coached him on just how to go up to the line without crossing it over and back some of his social media posts it's that are questionable have been looked at by his attorneys because he doesn't want to pay the money, right. even if it's $3,000 for donald trump, he doesn't want to pay a cent. so the idea is that he doesn't want to breach this gag order. so that's what they're being told on social media. in particular, kristen brown or lawyers with us. so let's bring it back into the conversation. arthur high-dollar, we're not us to beale and joey jackson joy here at the trump defense table. are you meeting with him at the hotel at trump tower tonight to talk about tomorrow. >> what are you telling him? >> again? not they feel listened, but what are you telling him about how he his appearance should be, how he should comport himself, whether he should look at the jurors at all. and if he does how he so i don't think it matters, john, because i think he keeps his own counsel and i think that trump is used to telling and other people what to do, not being told what to do and ultimately he's going to do what he wants to do. remember that there's two sides to this. one is the in-court and what the facts and evidence will ultimately show. now that we have a jury. but the other is the other audience. and that's

the audience who will be a voting public. and so i wonder how the judges he's going to deal with on tuesday when they have the hearing, the gag order issue. will the judge issue what admonishment will the judge put him in jail? will the judge issue fines? and so yes. final point, you should have some the corpsman court you should respect the process. the protocols, the issues, but i think he has imperatives, not two and if he'd done does get held in contempt and put in jail. does it delay the trial? does he want to do that? so he'll do what trump does. >> most people don't think he's going to testify. but let me combine the legal and the political. i got 77 million votes. i'm assuming he thinks there's some way to win over those people went over at least the one he needs. >> oh, for sure. and look, he said he's going to testify. i think there's a very good chance he is going to testify. >> you think he will testify? >> i think he will, i think because he might think he's going down here about five bucks no age the room. look,

his lawyers are going to invite it's not to testify. they're going to try and keep them understand, but he is the former president of the united states. if he wants to get on that witness stand, he's going to do that two things. >> number one, what i'm going to tell them is if i'm with them tonight, we did the best we can. this is what we got. but tomorrow is really important. we just saw what happened. we lost two jurors, the of the de right. or within 48 hours. there's a high likelihood but that's something will happen with whether these are the jurors. so alternate number one and ultimate number two, and maybe even older number three are very important. i want you to pay attention. i want you to be involved. i want you to tell me who to pick and who not to pick. and looked, just be cool to song from west side story, be cool boy, just be cool, just try to relax and just let us do our job. >> so let's talk about but that. because at first reflex, the non-lawyer at the table, these 12 of the jurors, they're the ones who are gonna go in the room. how important are the alternatives? what is your strategy for them? because you're right, somebody could make a mistake and read about the case there. somebody couldn't deliberately post on social media across the line trial is statistically

speaking, a higher likelihood that something happens to one like a kid gets sick or something or whatever, you're making the same, are you making the same arguments to all 17? >> yes. if you take the 12 plus two, five, or is there a strategy to somehow target people like one big blank through all the same person and gerald sends them in the jury room. >> high likelihood that some of those alternates are making on they're going to take the alternate selection as seriously as the selection for the regular john you have to envision the fact that there's going to be a family emergency. there's going to be witness intimidation. there's gonna be someone who gets ill. and so you have to look at the collective pool and as an alternate, that's a juror& so to that extent, there actually are juror we saw what happened. there was seven jurors at the start of the de then there were five right. now, this 12 plus an alternate. and so i think that the entirety of the jury the pool two authors point, you speak to all kristen, joey jackson, monopolist the bill. that's all right. thanks for coming in. really appreciate it i never election year, this wouldn't surprise most of you

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support for biden was also a public rebuke of one of their own, robert f. kennedy jr. his own family calling his independent bid for president dangerous journey map to discuss his kerry kennedy, the sister of rfk junior and a human rights activist to introduce president biden. at today's event, kerry kennedy, grateful for your time describing your brothers candidacy as dangerous. is that because you viewed as dangerous because it could cost joe biden the election what do you think your brother would be a dangerous precedent? does he not have the temperament or the experience now, i think you know this is an extraordinary election. >> we are on the precipice here in vietnam, and states, there's only two candidates who have any prayer of getting the 270 electoral votes that they need to become president. one has trump, the other as biden trump said that he wants to rewrite the constitution so that he can go after his

enemies, including members of the press he said that he will be a dictator on day one. he's proudly said that he packed the supreme court and over in order to overturn roe v. wade and taken away women's rights over their health care the list goes on and on and on. president biden, on the other hand, came in at a time with the disaster for a economy has built that up, has overseen 1,514 million new jobs, 800,000 new manufacturing jobs has always been on the site. women wrote the violence against women act is an marched with the united auto workers and has spent his entire life working on behalf of working men and women in this country, not the norm has

corporations and the wealthy americans who or whom trump has said he's going to give a tax cut too. so i think the choice is clear. it's either trump or biden. and a boat that's not per biden is let's be clear a vote for trump. don't do it vote per trump. excuse me, boat for biden you are among the kennedy family members who've used donald trump as a threat to democracy. >> your brother was on this network not long ago. erin burnett put the question to him. listen i think that is a threat to democracy if him over its are trying to overthrow the election clearly is threat to democracy, but the question was who is it worse threat to democracy? >> and what i would say is, i am not going to answer that question, but i can argue that president biden is he says, he can argue president biden is just a great or even a greater threat to democracy than donald trump. you would say well, i

think that anybody is paying attention would not say, which is why that's not well said. >> will we really look neat to look at here? is what, who are these to menn and what they've done? president trump spent a month trying to overturn a free election and then fermented in insurrection at the capitol. that's very, very clear. there's no question about it so he has said he wants to be a dictator on day one. he has cozy up to putin to the dictators in north korea and china in turkey and beyond. this is not somebody who is huge band up democracy. so i think we need democracy. i need i think we need decency. i think we need all of the values that the kennedy family has

always stood for human rights and that are personified by robert, senator robert kennedy, my father, my uncle, president john kennedy where's my uncle ted and that's president biden today just today, your brother, robert f. >> kennedy, jr. qualify for the ballot in michigan, which you know is one of the fiber six battleground states that will decide who the next president is. if you look at the polling right there, trump at 40%, joe biden are 34% that your brother, robert f. kennedy jr. at 18%, that's ross perot, like numbers there in april you say that's dangerous because donald trump would win the state. i know this is difficult, but when i asked you about your brother, you keep referring to donald trump and joe biden do you think your brother would be a good precedent i don't think that i'd seep in a question.

>> we need to deal with today because there's only two people who are capable of getting 270 electoral college votes. so let's talk about el let's not talk about who might or might not be a good precedent. the question today is, who do you vote for when you go to the polls? are you going to vote for a country based on when, when martin luther king died and my father was speaking in indianapolis to crowd that john lewis had organized for him. he said we need me and states has not vision division. what we need in the united states is not anger and rage and lawlessness well evening, i did states is justice and compassion and peace. and especially towards those who suffer the most. and our country, whether they be

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grave error, once again, our response will be decisive definitive, and regrettable four again, what we know at this moment is a flight-tracking website reporting several flights diverted over iranian airspace will continue to monitor that bring you more developments as soon as we get them here at cnn. >> in the meantime, a big political development today in washington, the rule that puts the house speaker's job in constant jeopardy. well, not be changed, at least not. now, the speaker, mike johnson today said he will not try to make it harder to take his gavel away sources say many republicans wanted the secret to endorse a new rule, but the hardliners reacted with fury. so johnson said, any rule change requires a majority of the full house, which we do not have. that means congresswoman marjorie taylor greene's threat to try to take johnson out lives to see another day. let's discuss, i want to bring in the form of democratic senator doug jones of alabama, and lani can form a public policy director for mitt romney's presidential campaign. gentlemen, great to see you, sarah. i want to start with you. you know, the standard has quirky rules to

house, has quirky rules the republicans have a majority. you can count on one hand with the fingers it's bear this is good theater. if you're political reporter, it's kind of interesting and fun. but there are actual policy and national security consequences to all of this, right? there's no question about it. and the fact that one person can hold entire house of representatives in the speaker's gavel hostage. he's just untenable. i mean, this goes back kevin mccarthy really cut a deal with the devil in the sense of agreeing to that rule. it cost him his job and now mike johnson is in a tough place. he couldn't really change the rule because of the hardliners in his party. but at the same time, it makes sense to change the rule. nobody wants to see one person be able to wholesale something over the speaker's head, like we've seen happening here. it's just not sustainable and so lani, our capitol hill reporter say speaker johnson at one point today was essentially pen against the back of the chamber's surrounded by members peppering him with questions are asking him to do

things. >> here here's some of what he was told. this is lauren boebert and matt gaetz. listen can you the threshold for the motion to vacate? that's been my red line with my red line then is my red line now my hope was as emotion would be an elixir that only required one dose, right? for effectiveness, but sometimes there are some things that require more than one dose sorry, jim, i need to stop this conversation cnn breaking news it to stop that conversation, to bring some new developments on our breaking news tonight, iranian news is now reporting an explosion was heard northwest& the city name is fanon, the cause of this explosion is still on known. let's bring it at cnn international editor nic robertson, he's in jerusalem tonight. nick, what do we know about this yeah. >> john were been tracking a number of reports that have been coming out of a number of locations in iran over the past several hours. and this is the

first time now that the iranian news agency fars, is confirming that explosions have been heard around isfahan. several hundred miles away from tehran. but this city is a city that has multiple military bases around it. and also has one of iran's principal nuclear research facilities. now, we don't know the details of precisely where these explosions are being reported, but we are seeing other details indicative tonight of what may be developing in the skies above iran. we know that we're looking at flight, radar, flight tracking, that a number of flights have diverted to their flights over the skies and away from the skies over ram. this evening, we also understand that a note and i know fly zone has been declared in the west of iran as well. there are a number of other cities where we've heard from local sources on the ground,

locally reported, unconfirmed by us there have been other explosions we can also say that earlier on this evening, a number of small earthquakes were detected in iran. all of these different developments, john, we're trying to piece together to give a complete picture of what is happening. of course, there has been huge expectation haitian that israel was going to strike back in a decisive way at iran and d, prime minister netanyahu said just a couple of days ago that that would be happening and british foreign secretary indicated he understood there will be strikes in iran. what we are trying to assess right now is who is behind these explosions reported in s4 khan what the bigger picture is adding up to at the moment and therefore, the implications that this might lead to, i think we're at the very leading edge here, john, of trying to get a solid picture

of what is happening and around tonight. but airspace affected explosions reported around a significant city was significant basis and a major nuclear research facility in iran. tonight, john nick, a second iranian media reporting that initial behind that, there have been significant strikes there. >> so let's say whether you mentioned we've been expecting this just for our viewers. i just got through the time i remember back on april 1st israel was blamed for an attack on an iranian consulate in damascus, syria. and then as nick noted, back last saturday on the 13th, around deployed more than 300 drones and other ariel weapons attack on israel after that, nick, the president united states, who helped the united states hey, it's britain, other western allies helped to repel the iranian attack. and the appeal from president biden to israel was you prove they couldn't hit you don't do anything provocative, don't do anything that further escalates a region already on end. prime minister netanyahu has not listened to the president of united states when it comes to the co

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